Best... Tithe.... EVER!!!

[Lynx Shaman]

I don't know how it's even possible, but I wanted this saved for posterity:

We tithed Methuselah: 3 Diamond Drill, 2 Enriched Uranium, 2 Steel, 2 Bauxite, 2 Aid, 5 Pig Iron, 2 Aluminum, 5 ICBM, 3 Uranium Ore, 2 Coal, 3 Glass, 2 Diamond, 6 Sand

[spamwise]

39 objects!?!?! It would difficult to simply overflow that list, let along have it be tithed. What, was there MVO set to FOOD and they had all of there storage filled with it?

Something's not right. Rast, can you do some log checking?

[Lynx Shaman]

I think that Methuselah was built to be impossible to defeat. I missed with every shot, and he hit a Tree. Since trees don't count against you, I won for firing more shots. I believe that it was a bug that's already been dealt with.

As for the sheer amount: Methuselah: My guess is ton of buildings, limitless resources, 100% accuracy and impossible to hit. With him that far above me in power, it's only reasonable that actually defeating him would cause an enormous amount of tithes.

[jc]

The vassal has been idle for 7 days: +1 object / 20 objects in inventory (rounding down)


He's been idle for that long, presumably, and that means you're getting an extra item for every 20 objects he's got... plus the others you might have from him having more buildings, and so on. That's where it's come from

[spamwise]

I still need to see the math. (Unfortunately, I can't access BattleMines from behind my work firewall, so I'll need someone to fill in the specifics.)
Tithe amount
A object(s) - Starting Tithe (1)
B object(s) - Facist bonus (+1?)
C object(s) - Vassal is "Ripe Gov't" (used to be Capitalism, and Tech. Not sure currently) (+1)
D object(s) - Gov't hatred (+1 or *2?)
E object(s) - Vassal has X times as many buildings as Master (+1)
F object(s) - Vassal idle status (+1 per 20 objects in inventory)

There may be more, and the ones above may be wrong. But, let's just run with what I've got:
A•B•C•D•E•F=39
1+1+1*2+1+F=39 If we go ahead and let the *2 happen last...
2*(1+1+1+1+F)=39
2*(4+F)=39
8+2F=39
2F=31
F=15.5

Since F=Floor(Obj/20)
15.5<=Obj/20
310<=Obj

So, a player who's been idle for 7 days (thus, a ripe candidate for overflow) somehow managed to amass 310 objects in their inventory?!? I don't buy it. Somebody please fill in the current vassal formula, as well as Methuselah's Hull Upgrade and Tech Level scores (which will allow us to calculate the maximum possible storage not at risk of overflow.)

We know Methuselah was sitting on at least 3 Diamond Drills, so the production modifier may be fairly high, but still, that's way too many items (and not just raw base items either, most of that was refined or even manufactured stuff.)

[jc]

Methuselah is obviously special.
I think he has, like, 300 space, perhaps. He could theoretically have any number of Warehouses. There's no way to check, and he's Tech Level 20, which may give +100 possible Warehouses, or even "Immunity to Overflow".
It's hard to say

[spamwise]

Ok, my not being able to log into the site is really affecting things. I'm beginning to think that Methuselah isn't a typical BattleMiner. I'm thinking some feature was added, and I didn't see the note to check the document update, and then discussion about it ended up trailing off, so I'm left in the dark sounding like a fool. (Or is this somehow related to the journey across the sea to Democracy?) I don't know anymore. (Stupid firewall.)

In any case, congrats LynxShaman on your victory and mind-bending tithe.

[Lynx Shaman]

spamwise said:

In any case, congrats LynxShaman on your victory and mind-bending tithe.

Thank you. I was rather pleased with the tithes as well. I asked Rast if I could get a special title for defeating the 'undefeatable' opponent, but he hasn't given a yay or nay to that idea yet.

Methuselah is NOT a typical Battleminer, so having large amounts of everything doesn't surprise me. When figuring out the code, keep in mind that that was just one cycle's tithe. I had him for a few, before Rast reduced his vassalage to stop me from taking unfair advantage of the poor guy (fair enough).

[rasteroid]

You're not a fool spamwise. Read the Final Note in the docs.

[spamwise]

I'll do that... tonight... when I'm not behind this firewall.

[Lynx Shaman]

I still think that there should be a title for defeating Methuselah. Perhaps 'The Icy Hand of Death' or 'Abuser of the Elderly' or some such thing.

(Okay, I admit it. I was bored and have been amusing myself with BM. I was running out of things to do, so I resurrected this dinosaur of a topic.)

[Rycchus]

Yeah I reckon you should get a title!

[Crovaz]

Well i currently have Meth Vasseld and Rast has made if to week to be tithed so im a sad panda, but i would also liek to have a title

[Rasteroid]

I made it so he won't reduce to 1 turn of vassalage next prod..

Crovaz, do you still have him perma-vassaled? You naughty monkey.

[psiweapon]

Hey I also had him vassalized for some time, I want a pony too.